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PostSubject: New Metro Times article: Kill City Dreaming   Wed Oct 07, 2009 12:18 pm

Kill city dreaming
Iggy Pop and James Williamson talk Raw Power, their rift and reunion, Ron Asheton and the glory that is (still) Detroit

http://www.metrotimes.com/news/story.asp?id=14429


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PostSubject: Re: New Metro Times article: Kill City Dreaming   Wed Oct 07, 2009 12:29 pm

Very interesting, thoroughgoing and thoughtful interview, thanks for posting the link. Great to read Iggy's comments on Ron, and Scott...

I hope he really does those final Ron tracks full justice, whatever he decides to do with them. At least it certainly doesn't seem from this that he would ever forget about them!
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PostSubject: Re: New Metro Times article: Kill City Dreaming   Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:02 pm

very interesting, I can't wait for the tour to begin, the set list will be great, probably the best ever.
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PostSubject: Re: New Metro Times article: Kill City Dreaming   Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:04 pm

some answers to a lot of our questions.
great interview!
thanks for posting cb
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PostSubject: Re: New Metro Times article: Kill City Dreaming   Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:34 pm

So the Atlanta tape will be released in April? This is great news!

And I'm glad this lineup is called Iggy&The Stooges.

A great interview. Thanks for the link.
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PostSubject: Re: New Metro Times article: Kill City Dreaming   Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:39 pm

What a fascinating interview. Thanks very much for the link.
Looking forward to the Atlanta show and the remastered Raw Power.
Cheers,
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PostSubject: Re: New Metro Times article: Kill City Dreaming   Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:16 pm

Great interview! and great news about the Raw Power remaster and the atlanta show. It's great to see that iggy really wants to do something about the recordings that ron left behind. And a possibility that they are going to record studio versions of the bootleg stuff!
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PostSubject: Re: New Metro Times article: Kill City Dreaming   Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:28 pm

Garageman wrote:

And I'm glad this lineup is called Iggy&The Stooges.

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Same here.
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PostSubject: Re: New Metro Times article: Kill City Dreaming   Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:41 pm

in 2008 all 3 concerts I attended
were called 'Iggy & the Stooges'. Ron was playing with them.
I don't get the difference.
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PostSubject: Re: New Metro Times article: Kill City Dreaming   Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:12 pm

The band was officially called just The Stooges up to 1971.
But even then some gigs would be promoted as Iggy Pop and the Stooges or even just Iggy Pop.

Raw Power and the subsequent tour dates were technically ascribed to Iggy And The Stooges, but once again quite a few shows were credited to just Iggy Pop (such as the New Years Eve 1973 show) which didn't please the other Stooges too much!

Despite some promoters and publicists efforts, between 2003 and 2008 the band liked to refer to themselves simply as, once again, The Stooges and eschewed mentioning Iggy's name separately. Of course, as before, lots of gigs were billed as Iggy And The Stooges but this was not what the band wanted. The Weirdness is credited only to The Stooges as per their wishes.

So, to summarise, after all my waffle, the original band with Ron on guitar was simply The Stooges and the 1972 - 1974 band with James on guitar was Iggy And The Stooges.

Now James has rejoined they are reverting to Iggy And The Stooges though I don't suppose that this change will make any difference to the press or the public at large.

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PostSubject: Re: New Metro Times article: Kill City Dreaming   Wed Oct 07, 2009 5:25 pm

this is a great article and clears up alot of stuff we've been discussing on here

yeh, essentially "the stooges" is Ron on guitar, and "iggy and the stooges" is james on guitar, its odd to separate them as i feel its one band, but it almost is like two bands - or different 'shades' of it, different style i think

both the gigs i saw with Ron were iggy & the stooges, i think this is simply for marketing purposes, the name iggy pop is known so they throw it in to sell more tickets, no harm in it really i guess, esp considering iggy had a 30year solo career

but when it comes down to it, its just on album names "the stooges - the stooges" "the stooges -funhouse" "iggy and the stooges - raw power" "the stooges - the weirdness" and if there is anything else it'll most likely be under "iggy and the stooges" - thats if james is writing, i dont know how they'll label the 25min songs Ron left behind

thanks for posting the article Cathy
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PostSubject: Re: New Metro Times article: Kill City Dreaming   Wed Oct 07, 2009 5:54 pm

It's simple for me. 'The Stooges' mean Ron on guitar.
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PostSubject: Re: New Metro Times article: Kill City Dreaming   Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:02 pm

They would have sold fewer tickets if they had billed themselves as simply The Stooges as people would have assumed Iggy wasn't playing. When they did Fun House at Hammersmith one of my friends checked with me before he bought his ticket that Iggy would be performing since it was billed as The Stooges
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PostSubject: Re: New Metro Times article: Kill City Dreaming   Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:13 pm

Thanks for the link cb!! Some great stuff in there.

Regarding the whole band naming scenario, I too have always seen The Stooges as Ron, and Iggy and The Stooges as James - guitar-wise. But both lineups put out beautiful sounds, so in the grand scope, I am grateful to have (and had) the chance to see the first and second, no matter how they are billed.
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PostSubject: Re: New Metro Times article: Kill City Dreaming   Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:16 pm

Thank you for the link.

I don't care about ron's stuff. I just wanna some new material with James on guitar and hear "Your pretty face is going to hell" on live !
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PostSubject: Re: New Metro Times article: Kill City Dreaming   Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:55 pm

Great article!!
Properly recording some of those "in between" songs would be very cool!
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PostSubject: Re: New Metro Times article: Kill City Dreaming   Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:08 pm

freemind wrote:
Thank you for the link.

I don't care about ron's stuff. I just wanna some new material with James on guitar and hear "Your pretty face is going to hell" on live !

Well then you must not be much of a Stooges fan because Ron was an integral part of what made the band what it was in the past and is today. The tape Iggy was referring to was not merely Ron playing guitar, but Ron and Scott playing tunes without lyrics. So, if you were a real Stooges fan you would be very interested in what becomes of what are probably the last recordings of Ron Asheton.
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PostSubject: Re: New Metro Times article: Kill City Dreaming   Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:53 pm

This is a really great article. Very thorough. Bill Holdship should be commended for asking the questions he asked. He got answers to a lot of the questions that have been asked here. Thanks cb for posting the link.

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Robert Matheu, Iggy Pop: The Stooges The Authorized and Illustrated Story
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PostSubject: Re: New Metro Times article: Kill City Dreaming   Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:58 pm

freemind wrote:
Thank you for the link.

I don't care about ron's stuff. I just wanna some new material with James on guitar and hear "Your pretty face is going to hell" on live !


Them's fighting words, pal. Step up and we'll go a few rounds
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PostSubject: Re: New Metro Times article: Kill City Dreaming   Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:08 pm

lolakelly wrote:
freemind wrote:
Thank you for the link.

I don't care about ron's stuff. I just wanna some new material with James on guitar and hear "Your pretty face is going to hell" on live !


Them's fighting words, pal. Step up and we'll go a few rounds

Now, now give the kid a break. He probably just recently discovered the Stooges and knows not of what he speaks. He is the future and us old ones must bestow upon him our knowledge and reverence of and for all that is Stooges in order to continue the Church of Stooges.
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PostSubject: Re: New Metro Times article: Kill City Dreaming   Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:14 pm

Of course those last Ron recordings are VITALLY important!!! I'm absolutely desperate to hear them..

Guess we're all different - I'm not that much interested in any remastering of Raw Power.
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PostSubject: Re: New Metro Times article: Kill City Dreaming   Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:26 pm

ZinZin wrote:
in 2008 all 3 concerts I attended
were called 'Iggy & the Stooges'. Ron was playing with them.
I don't get the difference.

That's the marketing side of things, as Donald has pointed out.
Emotionally, for me anyway, the lineup of the last few years was most definitely 'The Stooges'..and that's not a slight on the James lineup in any way either. Iggy himself obviously feels there's a difference..interesting how he expatiates upon the subject in this interview.
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PostSubject: Re: New Metro Times article: Kill City Dreaming   Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:29 pm

Nadja, why wouldn't you want to hear Ron playing a beautiful bass in better quality than previously available ?
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PostSubject: Re: New Metro Times article: Kill City Dreaming   Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:37 pm

Nadja wrote:
ZinZin wrote:
in 2008 all 3 concerts I attended
were called 'Iggy & the Stooges'. Ron was playing with them.
I don't get the difference.

That's the marketing side of things, as Donald has pointed out.
Emotionally, for me anyway, the lineup of the last few years was most definitely 'The Stooges'..and that's not a slight on the James lineup in any way either. Iggy himself obviously feels there's a difference..interesting how he expatiates upon the subject in this interview.

The difference is that the "Stooges" were Pop/Asheton songs, "Iggy and the Stooges" were Pop/Williamson songs. Ron and James were very different in their approach to writing songs/riffs. Both are great but different.
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PostSubject: Re: New Metro Times article: Kill City Dreaming   Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:47 pm

TED wrote:
Nadja, why wouldn't you want to hear Ron playing a beautiful bass in better quality than previously available ?

Because the RP songs, with the exception of 'I Need Somebody' don't do that much for me. . And much as I admire practically everything Ron ever did, I need to hear him playing GUITAR more than anything!! Smile
(Bearing that in mind, it's a wonder why I didn't order the 1971 boxset... Laughing )
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