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PostSubject: Raw Power new double vinyl 2010   Sat Jul 03, 2010 1:48 am

Don't know if this has been mentioned before. Saw it today in local record store. Iggy mix on vinyl for the first time?

http://www.soundstagedirect.com/iggy-pop-raw-power-remastered-180-gram-vinyl-lp.shtml

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About this title:
180 Gram Audiophile Virgin Vinyl LP - 2 LPs



The 2010 2LP edition of "Raw Power" on Music on Vinyl contains 2 different versions of this rock-milestone.

LP1 features the recently remastered version of David Bowie's original 1972 mix. After years of criticism -regarding the original mix- this new mix will set the record straight for once and for always: This s the ultimate version of "Raw Power".

Accompanying the 2010 mix, we've included the 1997 edition that was revamped by Iggy Pop himself. Same 8 songs, whole new sonic approach: A complete overview for audiophile listeners and Stooges fans!

This double LP set contains a 16-page booklet with rare pics and liner notes and quotes by Iggy, James Williamson and Scott Asheton!

* 180 grams audiophile vinyl 2LP
* Remastered version of 1972s Bowie mix + Iggy Pops 1997 Revamped Mix
* Gatefold sleeve
* Incl. 16-pag. booklet w/liner notes and previously unseen pictures


Tracklisting:

A1 Search And Destroy (3:28)
A2 Gimme Danger (3:28)
A3 Your Pretty Face Is Going To Hell (Originally titled 'Hard To Beat') (4:54)
A4 Penetration (3:35)

B1 Raw Power (4:19)
B2 I Need Somebody (4:52)
B3 Shake Appeal (3:00)
B4 Death Trip (5:51)

C1 Search And Destroy (3:28)
C2 Gimme Danger (3:28)
C3 Your Pretty Face Is Going To Hell (Originally titled 'Hard To Beat') (4:54)
C4 Penetration (3:35)

D1 Raw Power (4:19)
D2 I Need Somebody (4:52)
D3 Shake Appeal (3:00)
D4 Death Trip (5:51)

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PostSubject: Re: Raw Power new double vinyl 2010   Sat Jul 03, 2010 2:48 am

Luzern wrote:
Accompanying the 2010 mix, we've included the 1997 edition that was revamped by Iggy Pop himself. Same 8 songs, whole new sonic approach: A complete overview for audiophile listeners and Stooges fans!
Someone must currently die laughing here...
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PostSubject: Re: Raw Power new double vinyl 2010   Sat Jul 03, 2010 8:33 am

Luzern wrote:
Don't know if this has been mentioned before. Saw it today in local record store. Iggy mix on vinyl for the first time?
Iggy mix on vinyl for the third time, see http://stoogesforum.freeforumboard.net/jesus-loves-the-stooges-f1/iggy-mix-of-raw-power-on-vinyl-t754.htm
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PostSubject: Re: Raw Power new double vinyl 2010   Sun Jul 04, 2010 2:54 am

This is pretty strange. My question is whether the Iggy mix is overly hot on vinyl like on CD. Anyone know?
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PostSubject: Re: Raw Power new double vinyl 2010   Sat Jul 10, 2010 2:51 am

unheard78 wrote:
This is pretty strange. My question is whether the Iggy mix is overly hot on vinyl like on CD. Anyone know?
My guess is that it can't possibly be as hot on vinyl or the stylus would jump like hell.
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PostSubject: Re: Raw Power new double vinyl 2010   Sat Jul 10, 2010 5:58 am

Jesus fucking Christ...talk about milking something to the hilt... Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Raw Power new double vinyl 2010   Sat Jul 10, 2010 10:40 am

If it has the Iggymix in "undistorted" (if that even exists and the clipping was not already produced when mixing, i.e. pre-master ) ... I might consider buying it.
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PostSubject: Re: Raw Power new double vinyl 2010   Sat Jul 10, 2010 1:14 pm

OUTBURST wrote:
If it has the Iggymix in "undistorted" (if that even exists and the clipping was not already produced when mixing, i.e. pre-master ) ... I might consider buying it.

me too.
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PostSubject: Re: Raw Power new double vinyl 2010   Sat Jul 10, 2010 1:29 pm

OUTBURST wrote:
If it has the Iggymix in "undistorted" (if that even exists and the clipping was not already produced when mixing, i.e. pre-master ) ... I might consider buying it.
Top : picture from wav files of S&D 1997 Remixed CD (gain was reduced so it can fit in the window)
Bottom : picture from wav files of S&D 2010 Remixed LP rip.

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PostSubject: Re: Raw Power new double vinyl 2010   Sat Jul 10, 2010 3:52 pm

SWEET! This is now officially worth grabbing!
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PostSubject: Re: Raw Power new double vinyl 2010   Sat Jul 10, 2010 4:40 pm

It sure looks better, but it's not certain the distortion is *not* present?

jpstooges, can you send me the vinyl track..? pretty-please Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Raw Power new double vinyl 2010   Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:07 pm

long time trawler, first time poster - hello!

the vinyl sample wav sure does look promising, although I'm pretty certain a vinyl issue in 2010 would come from a digital remaster, so in this case - bring on the listening party!
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PostSubject: Re: Raw Power new double vinyl 2010   Thu Jul 15, 2010 12:15 am

dfmb wrote:
long time trawler, first time poster - hello!

the vinyl sample wav sure does look promising, although I'm pretty certain a vinyl issue in 2010 would come from a digital remaster, so in this case - bring on the listening party!
Welcome dfmb! You're probably right, but even made from the same source, a vinyl rip sounds different from the CD version (I didn't say it sounds better). If you want to check it out, here's a sample from S&D (30 sec of 1997 CD, then 30 sec of 2010 LP rip) (Dear HL, this is just a sample, please don't delete this post !)
http://rapidshare.com/files/406985188/S_D_Ig_Remix_1997_CD_then_2010_LP.flac.html
My English is too bad to explain what I hear, but there's a difference between CD and vinyl (and I like vinyl more). But the cover of the 2010 2LP set sucks (looks like a 3rd generation scan):






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PostSubject: Re: Raw Power new double vinyl 2010   Thu Jul 15, 2010 12:24 am

On this topic JP, I'm assuming the vinyl version, while taken from the same master mixes as the CD version, might not be the same master. Going back to the S&D waveform, it's very similar to that of the Life Aquatic and Million In Prizes versions which are definitely the Iggy remixes. I don't know much about vinyl mastering but, as I understand it, it's a significantly different process from CD mastering. I believe the vinyl pressing is a completely different master but taken from the same mixes used for the Iggy remix CD.

Sorry if I'm being kinda redundant, I'm a little flustered at the moment. Just got to speak with a producer I've been trying to get in touch with for a while and my mind is still racing!
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PostSubject: Re: Raw Power new double vinyl 2010   Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:43 am

jpstooges wrote:
OUTBURST wrote:
If it has the Iggymix in "undistorted" (if that even exists and the clipping was not already produced when mixing, i.e. pre-master ) ... I might consider buying it.
Top : picture from wav files of S&D 1997 Remixed CD (gain was reduced so it can fit in the window)
Bottom : picture from wav files of S&D 2010 Remixed LP rip.


Ouch! Wall to wall clipping. Who mastered that CD? Looks like another victim of the old 'Red Hot Chilli Peppers' Loudness wars.
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PostSubject: Re: Raw Power new double vinyl 2010   Fri Jul 23, 2010 3:02 pm

mr.datsun wrote:
jpstooges wrote:
OUTBURST wrote:
If it has the Iggymix in "undistorted" (if that even exists and the clipping was not already produced when mixing, i.e. pre-master ) ... I might consider buying it.
Top : picture from wav files of S&D 1997 Remixed CD (gain was reduced so it can fit in the window)
Bottom : picture from wav files of S&D 2010 Remixed LP rip.


Ouch! Wall to wall clipping. Who mastered that CD? Looks like another victim of the old 'Red Hot Chilli Peppers' Loudness wars.


Ig was involved in the mastering of the CD. Supposedly that version is a hint less distorted than his initial master. The CD is actually considered the loudest release in existence, or at least it was in 1997.
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PostSubject: Re: Raw Power new double vinyl 2010   Sun Jul 25, 2010 5:18 am

mr.datsun wrote:
jpstooges wrote:
OUTBURST wrote:
If it has the Iggymix in "undistorted" (if that even exists and the clipping was not already produced when mixing, i.e. pre-master ) ... I might consider buying it.
Top : picture from wav files of S&D 1997 Remixed CD (gain was reduced so it can fit in the window)
Bottom : picture from wav files of S&D 2010 Remixed LP rip.


Ouch! Wall to wall clipping. Who mastered that CD? Looks like another victim of the old 'Red Hot Chilli Peppers' Loudness wars.

Ugh! The loudness wars. I think that's why I hate so much music these days, almost everything sounds like crap now.
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PostSubject: Re: Raw Power new double vinyl 2010   Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:29 am

So, is the Sundazed vinyl release of RP taken fro the original Bowie mixes or from Iggy's?
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PostSubject: Re: Raw Power new double vinyl 2010   Mon Jul 26, 2010 5:00 am

The Sundazed pressing is the Bowie mix.
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PostSubject: Re: Raw Power new double vinyl 2010   Mon Jul 26, 2010 5:19 am

Interesting. So, with this 2 LP release and the Sundazed release all three versions are now available on vinyl.
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PostSubject: Re: Raw Power new double vinyl 2010   Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:18 am

unheard78 wrote:
mr.datsun wrote:
jpstooges wrote:
OUTBURST wrote:
If it has the Iggymix in "undistorted" (if that even exists and the clipping was not already produced when mixing, i.e. pre-master ) ... I might consider buying it.
Top : picture from wav files of S&D 1997 Remixed CD (gain was reduced so it can fit in the window)
Bottom : picture from wav files of S&D 2010 Remixed LP rip.


Ouch! Wall to wall clipping. Who mastered that CD? Looks like another victim of the old 'Red Hot Chilli Peppers' Loudness wars.


Ig was involved in the mastering of the CD. Supposedly that version is a hint less distorted than his initial master. The CD is actually considered the loudest release in existence, or at least it was in 1997.

What did Iggy say on the back? 'Everything's still in the red'. A very analogue idea. He could not know that that concept doesn't work in digital recording.

ElRoi wrote:
Interesting. So, with this 2 LP release and the Sundazed release all three versions are now available on vinyl.

ElRoi. What do you mean? All three versions? Don't the 2LP and Sundazed both feature the same Bowie mix.

stooge wrote:
mr.datsun wrote:
jpstooges wrote:
OUTBURST wrote:
If it has the Iggymix in "undistorted" (if that even exists and the clipping was not already produced when mixing, i.e. pre-master ) ... I might consider buying it.
Top : picture from wav files of S&D 1997 Remixed CD (gain was reduced so it can fit in the window)
Bottom : picture from wav files of S&D 2010 Remixed LP rip.


Ouch! Wall to wall clipping. Who mastered that CD? Looks like another victim of the old 'Red Hot Chilli Peppers' Loudness wars.

Ugh! The loudness wars. I think that's why I hate so much music these days, almost everything sounds like crap now.

One guy John Diamond even claims that listening to digital audio makes people ill. Lou Reed apparently refuses to use compression at the mastering stage of his CDs.
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PostSubject: Re: Raw Power new double vinyl 2010   Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:13 pm

mr.datsun wrote:
unheard78 wrote:
mr.datsun wrote:
jpstooges wrote:
OUTBURST wrote:
If it has the Iggymix in "undistorted" (if that even exists and the clipping was not already produced when mixing, i.e. pre-master ) ... I might consider buying it.
Top : picture from wav files of S&D 1997 Remixed CD (gain was reduced so it can fit in the window)
Bottom : picture from wav files of S&D 2010 Remixed LP rip.


Ouch! Wall to wall clipping. Who mastered that CD? Looks like another victim of the old 'Red Hot Chilli Peppers' Loudness wars.


Ig was involved in the mastering of the CD. Supposedly that version is a hint less distorted than his initial master. The CD is actually considered the loudest release in existence, or at least it was in 1997.

What did Iggy say on the back? 'Everything's still in the red'. A very analogue idea. He could not know that that concept doesn't work in digital recording.

ElRoi wrote:
Interesting. So, with this 2 LP release and the Sundazed release all three versions are now available on vinyl.

ElRoi. What do you mean? All three versions? Don't the 2LP and Sundazed both feature the same Bowie mix.

Well, I assume that the Sundazed release came from the original mastering of the Bowie-mix and the 2 LP release is from the newly remastered Bowie mix along with the Iggy remastering, correct?
So that would be three different mastering versions. I may be wrong, but that is what I have gathered from all this.
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PostSubject: Re: Raw Power new double vinyl 2010   Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:09 am

is this really what the world needs, yet another version of raw power ?
this whole thing's strating to feel like some sort of pharce. maybe they should consider changing their name to the $tooges
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PostSubject: Re: Raw Power new double vinyl 2010   Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:10 am

ad_hoc wrote:

is this really what the world needs, yet another version of raw power.
this whole thing's strating to feel like some sort of pharce. maybe they should consider changing their name to the $tooges

Good posting
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PostSubject: Re: Raw Power new double vinyl 2010   Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:35 am

Not really "another version," rather than both re-mastering's available on analog vinyl instead of digital CD. I don't really see this as some sort of money making farce, rather than giving people who like vinyl the opportunity to have one of the greatest albums of all time, in all its various sonic states and in the medium they prefer. Do you really think they are getting rich off of this? If you don't like it on moral grounds then don't buy it.
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