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PostSubject: Re: Ron Asheton and James Williamson   Sat May 17, 2008 12:09 am

James did the 'conventional' thing I guess, career and family, while Ron is just...Ron.
Maybe James doesn't feel the need to go back to guitarplaying? Whereas Ron essentially hasn't done much else, far as I know!
(of course they can all do what they like!!!!)
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PostSubject: Re: Ron Asheton and James Williamson   Mon May 19, 2008 8:07 pm

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Also, I guess this whole Ron-James debate is really inexhaustible, altho of course people have their preferences, but it's interesting, as it's just illustrative of how amazingly different the two principal guitarists with the world's best band actually are!

People wouldn't even care about Ron & James if they had heard CC Deville, from Poison. He's the gosh-darned best guitarist of the last 30 years!

Now THAT'S some funny shit!! Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Ron Asheton and James Williamson   Mon May 19, 2008 11:36 pm

For the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame thing, James and Ron should play I Got A Right 1971 style. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Ron Asheton and James Williamson   Mon May 19, 2008 11:39 pm

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For the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame thing, James and Ron should play I Got A Right 1971 style. Smile

That would be a fucking blast! Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Ron Asheton and James Williamson   Tue May 20, 2008 4:30 am

Be it Chuck, Jimi, Edward, Jimmy, Eric, Jeff, James or Ron, all of the great guitarists have one one thing in common: unmistakable tone and a certain unique and instantly identifiable presence and soul to their playing. The streets of LA and bedrooms of the Midwest are littered with young players possessing impeccable technique, speed, dexterity and very little -if any- originality or voice. Part of achieving greatness as an artist is having the balls to make a statement that is true to yourself. Being the first to do it doesn't hurt either.
I love 'em both, but in this instance I must give the nod to Ron.

PS: I am somewhat biased, as when I was a teen I used to sneak into the VFW hall in Ann Arbor and check out Destroy all Monsters/Cult Heroes/Gang War etc. gigs. Not only did they rule, but they left an indelible mark on my playing and attitude about life.
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PostSubject: Re: Ron Asheton and James Williamson   Tue May 20, 2008 5:17 am

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Be it Chuck, Jimi, Edward, Jimmy, Eric, Jeff, James or Ron, all of the great guitarists have one one thing in common: unmistakable tone and a certain unique and instantly identifiable presence and soul to their playing. The streets of LA and bedrooms of the Midwest are littered with young players possessing impeccable technique, speed, dexterity and very little -if any- originality or voice. Part of achieving greatness as an artist is having the balls to make a statement that is true to yourself. Being the first to do it doesn't hurt either.
I love 'em both, but in this instance I must give the nod to Ron.

PS: I am somewhat biased, as when I was a teen I used to sneak into the VFW hall in Ann Arbor and check out Destroy all Monsters/Cult Heroes/Gang War etc. gigs. Not only did they rule, but they left an indelible mark on my playing and attitude about life.

You just made yourself incredibly welcome with that post. cheers

James is Keith Richards on steroids, which in itself is a great thing. BUT RON IS RON. Top THAT, people. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Ron Asheton and James Williamson   Tue May 20, 2008 5:58 pm

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. The streets of LA and bedrooms of the Midwest are littered with young players possessing impeccable technique, speed, dexterity and very little -if any- originality or voice. .

hehe, they should cut down on the sale of guitars.
& anyone who doesn't possess soul or originality should have their instrument forcibly removed!
(that would save the world a whole lotta up-themselves, boring-as-shit guitarists) Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Ron Asheton and James Williamson   Tue May 20, 2008 5:59 pm

That's what annoys me so much about formulaic bands. It's all by the book songwriting.
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PostSubject: Re: Ron Asheton and James Williamson   Wed May 21, 2008 12:08 am

I came across an apt description the other day of Ron as being 'guitarist to the gods'. I like that. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Ron Asheton and James Williamson   Wed May 21, 2008 12:41 am

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I came across an apt description the other day of Ron as being 'guitarist to the gods'. I like that. Smile

Hey, I like that too! Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Ron Asheton and James Williamson   Sat May 24, 2008 12:35 am

Loose1969 wrote:
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I came across an apt description the other day of Ron as being 'guitarist to the gods'. I like that. Smile

Hey, I like that too! Very Happy

It's good. I'd like to use it as my epithet for Ron from now on

Actually I'd like to think up new epithets for all of them but it's not easy!! Rolling Eyes
might be fun though Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Ron Asheton and James Williamson   Tue May 27, 2008 4:16 am

Ron just sounded better. Being able to play a guitar is different from composing a riff. And Ron just did it better. Although james is still a great guitarist.
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PostSubject: Re: Ron Asheton and James Williamson   Tue May 27, 2008 6:19 pm

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Ron just sounded better. Being able to play a guitar is different from composing a riff. And Ron just did it better. Although james is still a great guitarist.

Of course Ron's no slouch at composing riffs either. (Even on the Weirdness)

I'm just interested to see which riffs he's gonna come up with in future... Smile Or hear, rather.
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PostSubject: Re: Ron Asheton and James Williamson   Wed May 28, 2008 12:48 am

I think Arganius was talking about how Ron was better at composing riffs than Williamson ever though technically Williamson was better but by 1971 there was only a VERY small difference. And I think lately O Solo Mio is one of Ron's best riffs as it's moody and still very fresh like Fun House era songs.
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PostSubject: Re: Ron Asheton and James Williamson   Wed May 28, 2008 12:53 pm

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I think Arganius was talking about how Ron was better at composing riffs than Williamson ever though technically Williamson was better but by 1971 there was only a VERY small difference. And I think lately O Solo Mio is one of Ron's best riffs as it's moody and still very fresh like Fun House era songs.

well, whatever! I just like to seize any opportunity I can to lavish praise on Ron's musical talents Very Happy


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PostSubject: Re: Ron Asheton and James Williamson   Wed May 28, 2008 2:50 pm

G, F#, E wrote:
And I think lately O Solo Mio is one of Ron's best riffs as it's moody and still very fresh like Fun House era songs.


Definately. And I've gotta say that listening to Ron's playing now - technically there's no difference between him and James Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Ron Asheton and James Williamson   Wed May 28, 2008 3:08 pm

[quote="J And I've gotta say that listening to Ron's playing now - technically there's no difference between him and James Smile[/quote]

Really?
all I can say is that Ron doesn't sound as literally unique as he used to. I think he does sound more self-conscious now, I mean on The Weirdness it does sound a bit more like he's trying to play in a more conventional way, more recognizably 'punkish' a lot of the time. but thank goodness he hasn't learnt to show off and he never will. He's the last person that needs to, anyway.
Can't comment on the live shows, never been to any

also, wonder what James's playing would sound like now, if he was still playing! Would he have mellowed a bit with age or something (don't think you can say that Ron has, anyway!)
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PostSubject: Re: Ron Asheton and James Williamson   Wed May 28, 2008 4:59 pm

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Can't comment on the live shows, never been to any

He doesn't exactly stand at the front of the stage machine gunning the audience with his guitar Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Ron Asheton and James Williamson   Wed May 28, 2008 6:21 pm

Donald wrote:
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Can't comment on the live shows, never been to any

He doesn't exactly stand at the front of the stage machine gunning the audience with his guitar Laughing

why on earth should he? Surprised
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PostSubject: Re: Ron Asheton and James Williamson   Fri May 30, 2008 12:32 am

I meant that Ron is now able to play stuff as blasting as James did Smile I can hear it for sure in the way he plays solos e.g. in 'I Wanna Be Your Dog' -> master craftsman Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Ron Asheton and James Williamson   Fri May 30, 2008 10:29 pm

I still prefer his older style! Smile
Guess I just don't like to move with the times farao
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PostSubject: Re: Ron Asheton and James Williamson   Fri May 30, 2008 10:50 pm

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I still prefer his older style! Smile
Guess I just don't like to move with the times farao

I'm with you on that one. Ron's sound on the first two albums are simply unbeatable!
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PostSubject: Re: Ron Asheton and James Williamson   Sat May 31, 2008 12:03 pm

I really think it generally sounded on The Weirdness as if Ron was consciously trying to sound a bit more up-to-date, or a more 'accomplished' guitarist, or something. I sure won't be complaining if he chooses to have a massive relapse on the next album!
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PostSubject: Re: Ron Asheton and James Williamson   Sat May 31, 2008 5:49 pm

Hopefully - though i loved The Weirdness - they will just (as they did in their early days) just not give a fuck wat anyone thinks or says or asks for and just go where the music takes them, but i dunno, i think iggy probly thinks that they are washed up insofar as talent goes, which is the furtherst from reality but i think he looks at sa the stones who work like a business model more than a band, altho thats only to reach as many ppl as they can, but i dunno maybe iggy just thinks, or is afraid in a way that they may be dropped if they try anything like they did back in 69/70 u'no

i dunno, hopefuly it will be another new album, i dont want it to sound like the weirdness at all, each album has a different sound and style etc and i'd hate for that 'accidental ethos' to be ruined
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PostSubject: Re: Ron Asheton and James Williamson   Sat May 31, 2008 6:48 pm

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I really think it generally sounded on The Weirdness as if Ron was consciously trying to sound a bit more up-to-date, or a more 'accomplished' guitarist, or something. I sure won't be complaining if he chooses to have a massive relapse on the next album!

Even the sound from their "Skull Ring" contributions would be pretty cool. Not as raw as the originals, but a bit wilder than The Weirdness.

All in all, I'd love another Fun House though. Wink
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