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PostSubject: Gear question: paging Pernil!   Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:55 am

I thought per might have the scoop on this, but I'll take info from any souce of course.

I'm curious about Ron and Dave's axes. I mostly see Ron in the early Stooge days weilding a Strat (he sure makes that thing sound fat!) and I don't think I've ever seen James Williamson with anything other than a Les Paul.

I'd like to know if Ron used a Strat on the first LP and Funhouse.

I'd really like to know what bass Zander played on the first two albums. I've seen him pictured with a Fender Jazz bass and a Mosrite bass. I am most interested to know what his setup was for the recording of the song "Dirt."

I mean, listen to the majestic bass on that track! It sounds like a damn organ at times. Incredible tone.

Anyone?
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PostSubject: Re: Gear question: paging Pernil!   Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:37 am

James Williamson, also took a strat to every show... but I don't think he ever used it onstage...

Ron used a Gibson Flying V, on "Self Titled, The Stooges" album, on "1969" "I Wanna Be Your Dog" "No Fun" "Ann"

And he used a Strat on The rest of the album.

On Funhouse He used a strat w/ marshall JMP amp, and cab w/ 10" speaker's instead of 12".. (for more drive)

... Dave Alexander On Funhouse used the Fender Jazz Bass.
On The song "Dirt" he used just the Neck pick-up on his bass.

If you want an Alexander bass sound, use a cab w/ 8, 10" speakers (Not 12") it's the only way to go.

Cheers.. hope this helped alittle !

PS - in 71 (Williamson/Ron both on guitar) Ron used a Les paul.

Cheers !
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PostSubject: Re: Gear question: paging Pernil!   Sun Sep 14, 2008 4:57 am

Thanks! Not that I doubt what you are saying, but may I ask where you got this info?
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PostSubject: Re: Gear question: paging Pernil!   Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:01 am

Yes, I understand !

Believe me - I have studied every little drop of information on the Asheton sound. and have read this info from various different sources. I put alotta time into doing this because I play guitar (and bass and drums) and get the ron sound well.

I remember reading in one of my old magazine's maybe "changes" from 1970. about ron's stuff as well. And also dave's bass sound.

The fact that Williamson took a strat to every show is kinda touchy-feel, not a fact exactly. But I've seen at the kingscross lond 72' show, he has his gibson onstage and next to the amp was a strat... so he obviously at least brought one to that show !

Hope this help's alittle --
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PostSubject: Re: Gear question: paging Pernil!   Sun Sep 14, 2008 4:01 pm

JESUS_LOVES_THE_STOOGES wrote:
Ron used a Gibson Flying V, on "Self Titled, The Stooges" album, on "1969" "I Wanna Be Your Dog" "No Fun" "Ann"

I think you have it the wrong way round. I'm pretty sure Ron used a strat on the songs you mentioned ("1969", "I Wanna Be Your Dog", "No Fun", "Ann") and a Flying V on the others. He defienetly used a Flying V on "Not Right".
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PostSubject: Re: Gear question: paging Pernil!   Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:34 pm

Nope you got it backward Smile

That distorted guitar is the Flying V.

I promise I am correct Wink

Cheers !

Stooges originally did those 4 song's I mentioned. then the record company said 4 song's wasn't enough, so they went back and did 4 more -- At this time ron was now using strat's -- so that's what he recorded those next 3 songs (Little Doll, Not Right, Real cool time) w/ strat + We will fall... which has no guitar at all of course.

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PostSubject: Re: Gear question: paging Pernil!   Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:16 pm

what d'you mean, 'we will fall' has no guitar at all?
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PostSubject: Re: Gear question: paging Pernil!   Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:19 pm

You know what I mean... It's mostly Violin... lol -- It is a good song in it's own mysterious way..
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PostSubject: Re: Gear question: paging Pernil!   Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:34 pm

just to be picky, it's a viola... Laughing anyway it does have SOME guitar, which even when quiet still has more impact than other guitars playing at top speed and volume Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Gear question: paging Pernil!   Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:42 pm

Nadja wrote:
anyway it does have SOME guitar, which even when quiet still has more impact than other guitars playing at top speed and volume Very Happy


Definately. 'We Will Fall' DOES HAVE guitar. You can Ron playing those wah-wah effects throughout the song.
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PostSubject: Re: Gear question: paging Pernil!   Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:27 pm

Yeah your right JLST about Ron using a flying V, I misread the article. But "We Will Fall" DOES have guitar, it was played with a strat.
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PostSubject: Re: Gear question: paging Pernil!   Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:28 pm

Yes. Correct ! Smile

Muddslide did I help any ?
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PostSubject: Re: Gear question: paging Pernil!   Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:25 am

JESUS_LOVES_THE_STOOGES wrote:
Yes. Correct ! Smile

Muddslide did I help any ?

Well, yes and no.

You've definitely been informative, but now you have me jonesing for a Jazz bass again (I've been playing Precisions for years)--and I can't afford it.

DAMN YOUUUUUUU!

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PostSubject: Re: Gear question: paging Pernil!   Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:07 pm

Hahaha Wink

Cheers Muddslide !
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PostSubject: Re: Gear question: paging Pernil!   Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:02 pm

I believe that Dave's Fender Jazz Bass was fretless too.
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PostSubject: Re: Gear question: paging Pernil!   Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:12 pm

Nah, had frets...
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PostSubject: Re: Gear question: paging Pernil!   Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:17 pm

I've read several articles mentioning that Dave Alexander had a fretless bass not long before he was fired. Fender Jazz basses were quite commonly fretless.
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PostSubject: Re: Gear question: paging Pernil!   Tue Dec 23, 2008 1:34 pm

Ah, a mention of the Mosrite Smile
JESUS_LOVES_THE_STOOGES - or anyone else - any info on when Alexander used that? Thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: Gear question: paging Pernil!   Tue Dec 23, 2008 10:45 pm

I would say early 1970, but this just a guess.
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PostSubject: Re: Gear question: paging Pernil!   Wed Dec 24, 2008 11:17 am

so the first album, he used the Jazz?

I'm a wannabe bassist. It would be great to try and emulate Dave Alexander because he's the best bassist I ever heard. No doubt it would be impossible, especially for a girl Laughing but I can always dream. Of course it would be even better to try and emulate Ron Asheton on guitar, but that's even MORE impossible.
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PostSubject: Re: Gear question: paging Pernil!   Wed Dec 24, 2008 2:06 pm

I'd trust JLTS, his covers are pretty much note perfect especially on "Dirt". Theres not the feel that Ron puts into it though but nobody except Asheton himself is able to do that. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Gear question: paging Pernil!   Wed Dec 24, 2008 9:14 pm

in some photos the bass that Alexander has seems to have an inordinately long neck...or am I just imagining it? I'd like to be sure which make that was!
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PostSubject: Re: Gear question: paging Pernil!   Thu Dec 25, 2008 1:10 am

I'm not sure, I'm guessing it would be a jazz or funk bass of some sort.
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PostSubject: Re: Gear question: paging Pernil!   Thu Dec 25, 2008 5:50 am

Thanks G F# E ! Smile

Yeah, Dorianmode, if you want to check out a few of the vids, they are in the other topics section I think Wink

It's called "Guitar on youtube"

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PostSubject: Re: Gear question: paging Pernil!   Thu Dec 25, 2008 4:18 pm

Ok


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